NEAR Without the Noise Episode 7: Paras

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   hello okay all right looks like we're live yeah looks like we're live all right so this is near without noise episode seven with uh paros and we have uh the two co-founders of the project here with us today and they're going to be discussing uh everything from the origins of their project to the nft space to kind of where things are going to go with the project uh in the coming months as well so welcome to both of you we're we're really happy to have you on near without the noise yeah thank you

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   everybody for having us yep exactly excited to talk about paris and you know the ecosystem so first of all yeah go ahead michael okay first things first i think um just to get us started can you give us a little bit of background of where you guys come from in in the crypto space how you guys kind of came to create paras and what the kind of starting story of the the project was

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   all right so yeah um for us project is uh we're we're pretty much started back in december 2019 so it's almost a year from now so at first we are we are not building an ft marketplace but instead we are building a a personal website generator but we are building it on on top of the central store the central storage on block stack if you you know if new is new about it the block stack uh technology at the time they really focus on their decentralized storage and that's where

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   we are building paras so paris is is is it is like a decentralized version for about me like it is one page website where you can put your biography you can put your link and and something like that and when building on top of on top of a blogstick we learned that the the blog tech blockchain is is not as scalable their v1 is is pretty bad i believe i i think it is it is the same thing like like bitcoin or ethereum they have

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   it has a pretty really slow i can actually it's really slow uh transaction speed for their version one at that time in the early january so i think we need to to move to the other platform to info forest right so that's where we found near before near around like late later late march or early early april with one year and you know i saw i saw their website it is very fast it is very convenient and and i think and i think this is where we where we can build

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   our next thing with paris right so from there on we are brainstorming myan africa we talk a lot of things we do a lot of uh ideas and experiment and at that time we are you know we're we're trying to go big we are trying to build the central social media so also at that time for us we want to we want powers to be decentralized social media where where users can can store their data can truly own their

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   data so yeah and we are launching the test net version for of for us around around july and about 2-3 months we are doing a lot of experiments we try to find traction with few with some some niche and we also have this program that we call memory grants to you know to try to to find what what what the best category what the best niche that we should pursue so yeah maybe i can talk more about this this this this program's memory grant program that that

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   that really helped us becoming what for us is now all right so yeah go ahead sorry yeah all right so as rikki mentioned earlier that we were uh decentralized social media at the time so at a time we think that paras is a memory bank so uh we believe that at a time that a human brain can only store uh many certain memories for a very small amount of time compared to what you can store in digitalized version

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   especially in blockchain and ipfs at the time so we believe that uh the decentralized social media at the time was a place for people to store whether their work in progress whether their art whether their jobs or where they're valuable their most valuable memories at a time and then we create an event in order to at the same time encourage our user to post more content right because we want more

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    traction from our users and at the time we created three events uh all under the name of memory grant and one of the event called art prentice as it stated it's art plus apprentice so we encourage our users to post their original artwork whether they're professional or established artists or whether they're amateur artists it doesn't matter uh we just want them to submit their

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    work in our platform and we'll choose like the best five are that we think should be the winner and we will give them a certain amount of prizes at the time and from that we find that the response was a lot better than the other two events and from that moment um we find out that at a time in twitter we can find certain things that uh artists tends to say things like um it costs zero dollars to share my artwork it costs zero dollars to retweet this artwork or

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    like this artwork and we find out that that we might be able to to fix that uh problem by uh by creating uh a platform based on our apprentice at that time so we we in conventional digital market uh artists usually share their portfolios and expect that there are people who will uh use their commission their open commission right and but what if that they can also post their content that they already have uh and people as a way to fund for their next big project

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    so not only that they can do marketing but at the same time they can also sell their old contents in order to get more money to create newer content so that's the background uh how para is today from that moment we decided that maybe uh if we pivot from social media it was too big for us to handle that time and we just tried to focus on one aspect and we chose our uh we chose to create nfd marketplace and

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    as as it seemed that's what created us as it is today so would you guys say that the it was kind of the community response that led you guys to believe that like trying to shift the direction of the whole platform is that is that like a good summary of how you got into the nft like card collection space absolutely yeah it's the community that uh lead us to believe that uh if we're moving to towards

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    this uh niche market it will it will give us more time to grow and it will give more benefits directly to uh the community cool so why don't we just quick why don't you guys quickly just talk about what paris is for people who don't who aren't really familiar with nfts or or digital art in general because i think your platform's really unique um yeah go ahead yeah so um yeah i think forest is yeah paris is really unique because we wanted

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    this this because you know there are a lot of any marketplace out there right especially on the ethereum one there are maybe like six seven that are really big they have really good great funding there are they already have some one of them might be already acquired by big company and we want to be we want to have some differentiation and we want and after after we are doing a lot more research like one of one of the biggest collectibles out there is the card collectibles

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    you you know like the baseball cards the the sport card the pokemon baseball you know everything else is really big right from from from small children until maybe like 20 people in their 20s 30s also are collecting this this card collectibles so i think the market the card collectible market the physical one is really big and and it is it is already there right so yeah and we just need to digitize it so this is where where we are where we are you know where we will be focusing on

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    other card collectibles the nft card collectibles because the market is already there and yeah it is pretty easy to just digitize it and yeah i think that's that's really that's why we we are focused on on on a single thing on the car only yeah and paris is practically a way for conventional artists or a current digital artist who is not on board to crypto space as a way to diversify their contents right and we find that it's a lot easier to create digital content rather than

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    a physical for or conventional like hand drawing it costs a lot more and here you can expand your medium from small projects as well so um you can start small but it can be expand uh to something big in the future and it's a lot easier to maintain yeah and i think maybe if we could um make it as simple as possible for for someone who might not know a whole lot about collectibles um the basic idea behind them is that these cards that you're putting on the

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    platform have some significance either for uh in the context of a game in the context of a narrative in the context of a collection or like well i guess how do how do users who want to purchase these collectibles how do they see the value of the of the different cards that they might want to want to buy yeah um i think yeah that what what you mentioned earlier is is really it's what we are trying to focus on we wanted the collectors to to you to collect to collect the

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    collection not only just a standalone art like like any other energy marketplace like nifty gateway or superior we are all focused on a single uh edition of one uh premium artwork we don't want that uh to be our focus on this platform we wanted to to create a collectibles that can be collected by by many peoples just like that just like the real trading trading cards trading cards called collectible and

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    and because because because of that we wanted our users to we wanted our users to the collectors especially to focus on on the narrative on the lore on the on the story of the collection on the universe of the collection that are being built by the artist itself not only just the visual or or because the artist is a famous one it has a huge followers we don't want that we don't want that to be the focus on our platform we want the we want our collectors you know uh

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    there's let's say that people buy stories right people buy stories not products and we want that to be to be on our platform can you guys talk a little bit about how you get um artists to participate in your platform um and then you can also go into like how you uh what that process of onboarding is like as well all right i think i think i think it's in charge for for for every content every artist in our

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    platform so yeah maybe if you can can answer this question yeah so currently we have this sorting mechanism so we create an application form for artists so that they can submit their application to us and then we will sort them out and find out which artists that we can board as fast as possible and which one that we will hold for uh other times but the idea is it's just a sorting mechanism because we're not ready to accept all collectibles

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    we're not ready to accept uh for example uh not safe for work content or context that tend to be a lot more vulgar we're not ready for that and then we also try to avoid uh artists who just are posting uh their uh in progress work so it's just as a way of testing the marketplace instead of being serious to post in our market marketplace because again it's a marketplace uh you you post you you mint your cards in in order to sell it to somebody so at least it has to be

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    ready to be sold already to be born right and through this way what we're trying to do is that we're looking for committed artists they're crucifying their arts to collections and paras but then we're not just accepting artists who are established or artists who just came from crypto space we are very welcoming to artists that haven't developed their full potential yet but willing to

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    in the long run so that that's our main concern is we want artists that is willing to meet their cards create lower or expand their stories from a small project to a bigger one for a long run not only one shot project so therefore we would require them to give their portfolio and some background contacts uh whether they came from crypto space or whether they are underwriter or a comic artist uh i think that

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    portfolio is the most important one so that at least we have a base understanding how committed you are as an artist or whether you have history uh for a long shot project or how many how long have you been working uh in this industry yeah i just wanna add little things um uh we also like like i think mentioned earlier uh we are not only on boarding like the crypto artist from from mario marketplace but we are also on boarding a lot of many artists

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    from the from the non-crypto space we have like one of our uh one of artists she is fitter squid her name was her name is fitzgerald he created a collection it is i believe it is called immortal flame series which is which is her novel visits her in progress novels and he wanted to he wanted to share the the artworks and also and hope and hoping to get to get funds by selling the upwards and

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    in the future hopefully he uh i mean she can she can finish her novel sell it and hopefully those those early investors that are they are already collecting the the artwork if the maybe like the novels got really big those early investors that collecting their the artworks can so can sell their you can sell their first generation artwork really really high i mean like for example like uh the the highest pokemon card the charizard nine the first the first generation charizard is well

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    it's all maybe around three hundred thousand dollars for now so i think that's that's the potential that that we can have at paris people can um you know people can can be can be invest on the collection on the story not only just just the art itself so how are the artists in both the collectors how are they finding out about paris yeah so um the artist for the artists we are doing uh we are

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    doing a lot of things but we are we are onboarding some artists from the crypto space and also we are we are we are in onboarding some artists from the non-crypto space from non-crypto space we are looking for uh some creative forums like the like writing forums like the comics forum like the illustration forums something like that and we ask them if they are interested to you know to sell their artwork to fund their

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    works to fund their projects and yeah that's where we we can we can find we can onboard a lot of artists from the from non crypto space and for the crypto space um yeah twitter is is one of the best place i think for for onboarding a lot of crypto users right um yeah i think for the collectors because i think collectors the collectors will will come by themselves if we have a really great artist really good really great collection in our marketplace so yeah

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    our current focus is is to just onboard as many artists as possible and we believe from great artists we can have great collectors yeah it's a good model i think um did you did either of you consider it difficult at the beginning when you were getting paras off the ground to kind of create what would be one of the first digital collectible marketplaces was that was it a challenge or did you did you know more or less that the market existed and you wanted

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    to just kind of expose it how did starting par s go in terms of actually starting the digital collectible side of it yeah i think it's it's kind of it's kind of hard uh i would say because because for now we are exactly a month from from from our first from our launch on december 7th up until now our you know our marketplace is we don't have we don't really have that that kind of that kind of story that

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    that kind of collections that really has a really great story really great like lore or narrative but but you know what we are getting we are trying to to reach our our vision but yeah for now we are we are having a lot of crypto artists that really helped the community that really helped you know onboarding another artist so yeah i think for now we are just like 70 crypto artists and 30 like the

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    non-crypto one so yeah yeah i think that's it anything anything to add to that feek uh well uh our hardest our hardest moment to when we're trying to um when we're trying to release our platform is that where we're trying to onboard people who are not coming from crypto space because it's really hard to uh because the concept of crypto space is very foreign to them is that uh it's very absurd that a digital art card with no physical form whatsoever can be bought uh by people online like

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    who's buying uh all these collections and for us especially uh where we came from we came from indonesia is that it's really foreign here and it's very hard concept to uh concept to grasp uh by uh non-crypto space artist and the real challenge is that to make sure that uh that we are being serious when we try to board them that we're being serious that their cards will be bought by collectors alike in paris

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    and there are many more crypto space artists who's who's been doing this uh from one platform to another platform and they're a big market here that is rapidly growing in the future and starting early means that you get uh more headroom for your growth and when it's already big uh you can reap the benefits afterwards but now uh the market is pretty much open for everyone so what we really love to uh encourage to the non-crypto artists

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    is that uh there's that there's nothing wrong in trying to board with us because uh we will help as much as we can to make sure you are comfortable with the crypto space and i think we we have a question here uh from lenara she she was asking i think you guys discussed to a certain extent the the beginning in social media and then the move to collectibles but how long did it actually take to build the platform to get it technically where you guys wanted it to actually work

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    and what were the biggest challenges in building that um and i also kind of it's a young platform as well i believe so you might might want to add a little bit about kind of how things have been since launch yeah um yeah i i think like maybe around a month we are building powers for for months i think it is from from from from october november yeah from from from late october until late november we are building

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    uh rapidly because you know we are already familiar with the new ecosystem like i mentioned earlier uh we already using near since since april we uh we are personally i personally have joined two hectares from here and you know building or near near near has a grid has a really great uh developer experience compared to the other blockchains out there you don't really need to to to learn another language they they just

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    you know you can just use typescript i mean like assembly script which is pretty much like typescript and also rust language which which is really well known for now so yeah i think building on top of near is is making our life easier that's why we can achieve we can build this marketplace for a month but but you know since since our since our first launch the social media one we already have built like our indexers it's already up and running we already

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    have our notification system we already have like most of the things that are really needed in our platform for now is already being built since we are building this this social media platform so yeah i think it took us around a month to build the this energy marketplace and the challenge the challenge for now yeah i think one of the one of the hardest challenge in in blockchain is is the in in near i believe is is the indexing right

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    because the indexer itself like the official indexer itself uh when i when i when i saw the the developer the developers group a lot of people's getting really a hard time um building their indexer based on the linear index uh near indexer framework so i think the indexing part the indexing layer is the hardest part to uh to maintain on on on on our end and also we also use this

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    this ipfs node for our storage surface and you know ivfs i i think fs is is relative is is slower than the uh than the aws s3 i don't really know why but because because maybe the design is pretty the design mechanism is really it's really different from from the centralized one and the the distributed or the centralized ipfs i think that's that's really that's really it for for this uh one month experience the the indexing layer and also the uh and also the ipfs layer

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    that's really that's it technically that's that's the hardest part that we are we are finding so i mean you guys built that super quickly um what can you guys talk a little bit about what you would tell other people other entrepreneurs about building on near compared to other layer one blockchains yeah um and you kind of touched on it a little bit but yeah so yeah i believe near currently near is one of the one of the best uh blockchain platform blockchain protocol out there that are

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    really ready ready for production they have uh their my net is is it is really fast like it's only took like three three seconds at most for for for for every transaction the the gas fee itself is is very cheap it's i don't think 100 or 1000 uh transactions will cost you one dollar so it's it it is very cheap for for developer that wanted to build on top of blockchain just build on just build on your it is cheap

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    and the developer experience like i mentioned earlier um you can just use your like i believe most developers right now are really familiar with javascript right javascript is i think the most popular language for now and well um assemblies assembly script is pretty much like javascript but it is status it is it's more it's more like statically type and it is you know it has it has less fisher than javascript but fundamentally is all the same so javascript developers

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    if you wanted to try to build a blockchain uh to try to build smart contract on top of blockchain platform just using your protocol and the assembly script that's really a very very easy way to build your first decentralized app i think before i think you were talking about uh how right now there's a process for getting onto pars right for applying and for for being able to put your collectibles on the platform is the plan in the future to eventually decentralize the platform

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    so that anyone can kind of post anything or or are you is par us as a as an entity planning on kind of keeping sure ensuring the the quality of the content that goes on to it in terms of collectibles yeah um in the future we have so we absolutely want it for us to be as open as possible everyone can just mint their cards and and yeah it we wanted to be as decentralized as possible

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    well we also wanted to have like the government the government to be training the dollars to be ready on paris but i think um yeah i think for i think it is very it is still a very long way to go maybe the the fastest i believe it is maybe like six months later but i don't know but time la i don't really i'm not really sure about about it but well yeah we just we just see how we can uh how how the community how the how the growth of ours will be

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    uh will be in the future and we'll decide when we can go fully decentralized fully uh community government um can you guys talk quickly just like technically speak about what happens like for each like card as a collectible how is it created and then and then sold to a user so maybe in the terms that someone who doesn't understand uh crypto as much technically what's happening like what makes a card basically able to be unique

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    on the platform in a technical sense okay um so as we mentioned earlier is that what we're trying to do is that we try to be different with other nfd platforms that has already that has existed before us uh unlike other platforms that focus a lot more in visuals and uh the well the well-known aspect of the artist what we're trying to do is uh to create stories and create collections

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    certain platform would uh uh would give a bigger chance for one shot projects uh created by certain artists but our value really is that this artists have collections and you can collect all these collections and each collection is connected through uh which what we call as lore or narrative in that sense as our one of our artists called fitness quit has been doing uh for now so in terms of technical aspects that how how do we sell these cards

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    it's pretty much simple just like the conventional way the difference is it's just digitalized and in that aspect as well i'd like to add that we actually try to burst the next pokemon the next baseball cards or the next yugioh cards and paras because that's the idea of the collection and we want that to do to do that in the long run like pokemon start somewhere and you give a start

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    somewhere they all start small but the idea is that we think that we have more benefits in the long run because as we know the conventional trading art cart market is very much uh it's very much fluctuative uh uh there are only certain part of companies that can validate whether the main condition of that card is grade 10 grade 9 grade 8 in case of pokemon and is a lot of maintenance fees for uh first generation of boxes maybe there's only like five more boxes left from the first

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    generation of pokemon and we we're not really and we're not really sure whether this cards are legit first generation and um we don't know who owns all of these cards and whether uh we can validate it by our own but here in uh near near as a blockchain protocol uh we can make sure that uh if you met your cart here your collection in paris will last indefinite it will always stay as true as the first time you bought it you will not

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    worry about the crease you will not worry about bending it it's pretty practically zero maintenance cost and it doesn't matter how many fakes out there if our platform gets really big and there are a lot of fake cards out there and it doesn't matter because the ownership validation is transparent for everyone to see right so it's pretty much secure and the price is also transparent for everyone to see so any fluctuation of prices can be seen by everyone so we we don't just guess

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    or it's not just decided by one or two companies saying that this card it if it's grade 10 then it cost 300 000 but you just can't see it everyone can see it that the price of these cars currently uh costs for 250 dollars so that's the that's the technical aspect of purchasing and creating cars in paris so i think this this is really interesting would it would it be kind of fair to say that because of what you're able to do with nfts the digital collectible marketplace as a whole kind of has the

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    it has a huge opportunity to upgrade and become more kind of open accessible and mainstream in virtue of the fact you can tie a digital collectible to an nft definitely um it's just as you said it is more open and a lot more accessible and uh it uh i think it's just a lot more convenient than than than your conventional uh uh digital art um market yeah and you you both see this as the start of kind of the beginning of this wave so so paris

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    is positioned at the front at the very beginning of this kind of new uh switch over to the to digital collectibles and that's what you're both trying to pioneer through with the platform yes we hope so uh we hope that uh we we can start uh because we believe that diversifying your uh your that the current trading art card into a digital version needs to happen as soon as possible because uh we we might not know that

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    when will the first generation of charizard will be gone in our in our physical realm and by digitalizing it you're pretty much making sure that it will last forever it will last a lot longer than 20 or 30 years from now yeah i think uh sasha had a question that he that he asked in the chat he said can i verify the particular token owner providence of a collectible on the blockchain explorer similar to ether

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    scan well well you can well you actually can can do that on the on the like on the blockchain on the blockchain explorer but but but currently but currently we are not exposing our smart contracts we are not open sourcing our smart contracts because we are we don't want to to have that that kind of freak that kind of uh raise that that i believe that that maybe maybe uh uh maybe you know maybe

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    in our smart contract that we have some kind of bug some kind of um yeah some kind of weakness in our smart contract because it is not audit yet and that's why we are just still we are we're not open sourcing the smart contract for now but if you wanted to validate it through the smart contract yes you can but you can just do it through through i mean like through our our platform through paris because the smart contract itself like i mentioned

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    earlier it's not open source you don't really know what function you should call right so the only thing that the only the only place that you can that you can validate the the the ownership for the for the card for the nft is through our platform for now but later on we wanted to open source the smart contract and and hopefully by open sourcing it we can get a lot more developers to build on top of paras

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    and i and i think maybe just to follow up he did ask what does paras as a platform name mean as well i'm sorry what does the name yeah where did you guys say oh yeah so well para is basically at first for us is because we wanted to build like the like personal website back in december 2019 for us is in indonesia for us is like your your face like your i know what what what's what's the worst

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    thing um for face or for um persona for yeah and not only that um there are some other definitions for paras as well in bahasa that we find that that it's if i have to translate it to english it pretty much means that um the result is equals to your effort so uh so it's practically like our uh our i our idealistic manner of how we see our work is that uh the result is only uh is only as much as what we're trying to make it to be yeah so it's not just a face that you

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    present to people but it's also uh what we did in the background that can define us so paris is like i think like the nft space as a whole is kind of is gaining a lot of traction in crypto um and i don't know there's a lot of different nft projects i mean like your guys's project is very unique i think we've talked a lot about that on this episode but how do you guys see the like coming years in the development of the like nft

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    art and collectible space because i mean you're you're onboarding artists who aren't into crypto and they seem to be catching on but like where do you guys see from the inside where do you see it kind of going yeah so yeah the market for for the collectibles itself is around three hundred and seventy billion dollars and total goods loan with all this is around 50 billion dollars and from yeah the pokemon cards already uh fro from their first pokemon cards

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    till now they already sold around 30 billion cards yugioh already sold around 20 billion cards so the credit card collectibles market and the collectibles market loan is is really really really big for us to disrupt and it's where i believe the energy space the crypto space will be growing much bigger in from this year and because we have a lot a lot of you know a lot of newer blockchain like near protocol

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    we can onboard uh some non-tech savvy users to do to the platform really easily like they they already uh you know the the near team already taken care of the technical stuff like the user experience like the transaction speed the transaction cost it is already it is ready for for the mass to be to be to be using this this blockchain stuff for now yeah maybe uh yeah so yeah i hope like like i think mentioned earlier we hope for paris to to burn the next pokemon the next baseball the next geocart

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    and yeah that's where uh that's that's where we hope to take forest since since day one to the next couple of years to be like yeah to be to be a place where we can give birth to the next big uh collectibles and in terms of the the development of the platform certain onboarding goals maybe of new collectibles or new series is there a roadmap right now for future building or developments on par us that you guys are following and what would that be

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    yeah well one of the one of the things that we are trying to catch up is to to have similar features with other energy marketplace such as auction or bidding but some different aspect that we are really focused on is the card feature which is uh the booster pack like we we wanted our artist to create like a collection and put it into a booster pack and you know just like um your physical

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    trading cards you buy a booster pack and you get some like five random cards so and also aside from booster pack we also hope we also trying to build this training mechanism because you know card is it's readable right in real life in the real in real life people trade cards so yeah that's that's where uh that's where we are hoping to to to build uh this year for for for for us and for the for the narrative for the series for the collection specific we are we wanted to build like the

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    publication place where the artists can can uh can share their their lore their narrative their story about the artworks and hopefully in the future they can create some kind of like novels comics or any other creative stuff within paris and yeah this really still is really still an idea but i think it's it's worth to share with you guys uh we wanted to create like the creative launch pad like if you if you knew that in 2017 we

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    have like ico right initial coin offering people are selling their their coins people will buy it and and yeah that's it that's what i see you and with for us we believe we can create more like creative launchpad where we are you know where some crazy people some artists can just create their project and funding it through the through this initial card card sales initial card series and you know we can onboard a lot lot more credits people like

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    like game developers like comic artists novels and and many more not only just just just like just the artists that are that i mean that are focused on focus on drawing drawing some art but also other creative as well i have a question about like the card collec collect different collections right um since paris is like a is a decentralized platform how do you guys uh like unite artists in creating collections like collections don't necessarily have to be

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    unique to one artist right so like do you guys run events or um is it like a community driven events that people can create like contribute to collections or how is that kind of handled yeah we have that um in our roadmap also but um but for now we don't really have that kind of stuff some artists like uh we we we've been talking with the kodami community maybe yeah i mean i mentioned it right academy community they have like a whole bunch of artists

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    and also writers and they collaborate it internally so they create like there are some people that that write the story some people that create the artwork and yeah for now it's it is all uh is it just uh the collection itself is being built internally by by some of the some of them but in the future yes we are hoping to to do like the like uh collaborate collaborative collection between multiple artists multiple writers and yeah i think that's it

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    there's a question from lenara again that says do you plan to offer other card formats square landscape etc um yeah that's really good questions because uh we got a lot of because there are a lot of artists that are that are uh asking about asking us about this about this format right we are we're just accepting 16 64 by 89 ratio because that that is the real physical uh trading card format

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    the it's all about but you know for now we didn't have we don't really have plan for changing it to like landscape or yeah or or square or any other any other format but we'll see let we will let the community decide what's what's better for us what's better for us i think before um you were talking about trying to grow the paras community and i'm i'm interested to hear in terms

83. 45:28

    of community development but also project development um where do you hope to see the paris community go in the coming months and also as a platform do you plan on taking investment or do you plan on looking for investment to kind of boost the growth of the platform uh as well yeah for for the first question the community um i think in the next two three months the community will be mostly mostly uh based based on the crypto artists

84. 46:00

    because you know onboarding onboarding the the non-tech the non-crypto users the non-crypto artists the non-crypto people is is you know it is relatively hard compared to onboarding those that are already experienced with the crypto art right so yeah i think in the in the in the in this early in this early power stage well we'll have a lot of a lot of crypto artists that are in the

85. 46:24

    community but yeah in the long run we are hoping to to match to get to get more to to get more non-crypto people non-crypto artists to on the platform in the community and and become and become part of the community and the second question for the yeah for the growth and it's any and in investment yeah i think we are really open for for for that for that idea for the investment to grow for us

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    but for now we are not really sure um where we where we should be going i mean like we have the roadmap we have the idea but we are not really so sure how we can you know how we can uh really really really really executed so we are trying so for now we're trying to experiment with a lot of things for looking for a lot of a lot of different stuff and try to find what's work and what's not and yeah maybe after that

87. 47:25

    when when we are really got to the report of product market fit then we are really open we are we will be looking for some investors um all right so do you guys have any kind of closing thoughts or anything that you want to leave uh all of our viewers here with the last impression on paris or kind of where you're where you're headed et cetera yeah i think um yeah i think maybe like if yeah yeah like any other

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    any other end of the marketplace where we are pretty much the same if you if you saw it like in the in the in the maybe like you just see it like it's the same like any marketplace but inside we are trying to do much bigger than that we are trying to be the next the next uh i would say that the next big collectible stuff to be uh to be to be built on top of for us and and this is where we are hoping for us to

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    to grow right to grow to be to be to be on board a lot of non-crypto users a lot of a lot of people to be collecting nfts not only just the whales the one that i really get rich from the crypto can collect it because you know nft is it's not just about high price high price outlet right it is the the collectibles is is not only just about how much it is priced but but the story itself will be uh will be the one that can be it can touch the collector's heart i

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    think i think have more things to yeah so we're not just looking for a one-hit wonder artist that can sell cars that cost thousands of dollars no we want to be a one-hit wonder platform in which we have the best selling record in which that we sell the highest bid card that existed in nfd marketplace but what we want to do is that to grow a sustainable community in which that their creative process and their creative ideas can be stored

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    and can be expanded uh for a long run and we want our artists to perhaps collaborate with one another we have we we are very much open to a lot of artworks uh we have um we have artworks with um we have art that inspired by background environment we have this uh exquisite corpse collaborative drawings where people just uh each collaborators draw a part of the drawing and then it's a part of collaboration and

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    what we're really getting is that we want to create this uh we we really want to create this uh fantastic fan fantasy card they're not just limited for nfts but can be grown into perhaps trading card games or can become novels can become uh can become comic books and we hope that uh our artists and our community had the same kind of mindset as we are that we're not trying to go super fast but we just want to be sustainable uh for the group for the healthiness of

93. 51:01

    the community and the healthiness of the platform as well that's a that's a really great vision i think for for what the future holds um especially that how early on in the game you guys are i think the next couple years are going to be really transformative in this space as you said for books and for games and for a whole lot of things that people might not even thought of um one final question we have is is

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    there any incentives for people to bring established non-crypto artists to the platform is there any type of uh bounty program reward program um any anything set up to kind of recruit some of the people who might not be familiar with crypto but are great artists yeah we we have that uh we have the refer the artist rifle program so if you if you are if you if you ask your friend

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    your if you if you find some artists and you refer them to our platform and in the artists in our invitation form you you have like the referral id you can just ask him or her to put your narcan id and if the artist is accepted and minted therefore scott will send you a 10 until 25 near for now about the uh currently we don't have that the kind of big bond is if you're bringing a big artist big projects or something like that

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    currently we just have like the artist referral for for for you know for each person and one one final question here from lucas says uh for ricky when are you minting the astro biker on paris main net i throw like on my net i'm not sure exactly what he might be referring to so i don't know if there's an inside joke there or something oh yeah maybe astro bike is astro bike is one of the cards on our

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    our promotional videos well it is basically like like stock illustration that we bought from from another another website so yeah it will not be so it will not be minted on our button because it is not ours awesome well um thank you guys for uh for stopping in and uh it's really exciting to hear about this kind of niche area of nfts that's going to be developing um in the next couple of

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    months to years uh definitely keep us in the loop of how pars is developing in terms of the community in terms of traction and uh we'd love to have you on again sometime in the future absolutely thank you thank you thank you for having us yeah thank you for you know waking so so waking up so early for for this interview guys yeah we really appreciate it we really yeah we've been uh happy to be talking

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    with you guys in the in the future i'm awesome all right we'll sign off now but thank you everybody and uh we'll see you next time on episode 8 of near without the noise