Community Talk: Blockchain & AI

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   so thanks to our friends from near for inviting me I'm at Ocean protocol which is an AI blockchain project and we're friends with singularity a bunch of other AI and data related blockchain projects so I was very happy to you know help out with moderating this webinar I hope you will have a very interesting conversation cool story if you don't know about year they used to be an AI startup so Ilya here is

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   actually they actually I genius so it used to be one of the early people behind tensorflow which is you know one of the two most used frameworks let's wait maybe another couple maybe two minutes not too long because they were at 5% of the time that we have already RS per year based right now I'm I'm based in Washington DC but I grew up in a group in Singapore so you're doing lobbying for legalizing synthetic

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   intelligences hey I wish I had that sexy a job I'm stuck as a founder in my apartment trying to build a startup so I can get how did you end up in Washington out of all the entrepreneurial hubs in u.s. ya know when I finished I was in the web to world for sometimes I was working for LinkedIn leading their sales and marketing in Southeast Asia and then I worked for a Softbank bag startup called Graham which did write healing and then

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   I breathed out and I wanted a new framework and around early 2017 I decided to pack my bags and hit the San Francisco and I met a bunch of eat head who are also into consciousness hacking and so let's started off a whole new journey this is where I met Ben and his team thinking that they were just starting out and so I did that CMO role for a bit and about late last year I decided that the opportunity for

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   synthetic media is going to be tremendous and I should start my own company so this was part of it and I also have family in DC so but I was traveling quite a bit between New York DC and and LA which is where I think synthetic media will have a huge role to play true true Aliyah do you want to give everyone an introduction here and the format of this also including me like this first time I'm participating in one

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   of these for sure yeah yeah so kind of giving quick over here so first of all hi everyone I'm Melea co-founder it near and so this community talks is kind of high-level writers just trying to bring awareness of the projects in the echo system and we're not thinking of it like New York a system we think of it more like open that book a system or you know ideally like anything cool over time which because everything cool should be an open lab so kind of as their like as

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   a plug we have this thing called open that collective which is really a very open community of founders who are building toward Canada's ideals and kind of principles of open web right being able you know to control your own stuff being able to use things that are kind of shared and open and you know not locking users into the kind of centralized platforms and so we bring in different projects to kind of highlight

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   about them and then obviously do an AMA and be able to learn more about them I mean near is you know Saburo state kind of blockchain from our perspective we believe that you know we're solving so technical challenges of the kind of existing ecosystem but you know first and foremost like Perez kind of as a team we thinking more about like how to grow ecosystem and how to actually like like

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   get two really useful and and productive stuff for everyone right for the world in general so that's why again like the whole point is like to bring to learn to educate like we have I have quite a few different kind of initiatives for education so we have a whiteboard series which is about like technical protocol level interviewing we're going to use like 40 protocols I have an open web

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    podcast which is about kind of more interpreter ship and kind of investment ECU style we have like fireside chat which is kind of creepy rock with free pretty cool for open lab so in those community talks is kind of more hands-on like community conversations so yeah so I'd give kind of stage two area for presenting biosea and then Nemo will kind of do some moderator AMA and I guess have his own questions to like to challenge the the product right yes

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    we'll talk about the dark side of the RF stage is yours okay thank you I thank Celia for creating this platform as well and a nice well for all of the good work in bringing together the community I'm just gonna start sharing my screen and this probably is gonna take me five minutes I think the interesting parts are the discussion that emerge from the technical viewpoint the philosophical viewpoint but I find it helpful to start

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    with some sort of mental model around how to deal with this revolutionary new technology that is coming to market rapidly right so let me just share my screen let me know if you can see it yeah it's visible okay so maybe after this nema towards the end perhaps you could share the Lady Gaga video I sent you just so that people can understand the pause the use cases as well not just the

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    fear-based I mean let me just play this and I'll walk you through some of the thinking here so I thought this is here we have is that creases and voices are becoming composable you can cut copy and paste a face or avoids just like you would type text or generate new words and this revolution that is being facilitated through dance but also through the open source community is going to

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    fundamentally transform the way content is committed so below is an example where we use I mean we did this at Italy but we sort of used CV from by Nance's you know one of the largest exchange providers and somebody whose face and voice data is extremely valuable extremely well if you take that face and voice without its permission you can cause a lot of havoc in the markets if

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    you wanted to right and then for satire we soft his face into a martial arts flick I encourage all of you to check it out where we put him into an jet lethal so it's sort of a one-to-one thing on the right you see sort of comedian John Oliver swapped in to Jimmy Fallon what you're seeing here the point I want to make is that it's going to get easier to cut copy and paste faces and voices like never before the only problem is I

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    think we are in the next era right so we have Napster you know where you're faced it and boys data is going to get pirated quite using the very few protection and even more so there are companies like Clear View AI that have scraped your data your face data already resold it to security agencies that have created facial recognition algorithms in partnership with big tech to then resell so that black people and people of color

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    or women and minorities can be negatively affected so that's the cycle we're in right now where there is no underlying infrastructure to say this face belongs to me you have no rights over it to be very clear the face data that we have we already arbitrage and compromises when we go to airports I am comfortable with giving up my face security and my passport because I need to make other people feel safe on the plane when they travel with that's part of the compromise you make as part of

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    the social contract so everyone fails especially at the name level but the consequence of outside of security outside of the airport is basically everyone's faces and voices being taken away from them and taken away by the person who can script most of it and we've seen some examples of that in big tech today the eye huge part is interesting because that will actually create the permission level where you can allow individuals to have access to their data in a way that works

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    whether this solution emerges as a centralized solution or a decentralized solution remains to be seen but I think there is going to be one large player that will essentially serve as the Twitter bluetick and I'll show an example of the Elon Musk example where he has a ton of these pics looking around and will try and ascertain whether some are true or not so this solid surface mental model but defects are not necessarily bad everybody who we use defects

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    starts off with the presupposition that this technology is harmful I prefer to start off with the presupposition and the question how much truth is there in that specific society so I have a mental model and framework I don't know whether this is going to be helpful but this is how I think about it having lived in both the east and the west the systems that orient their media ecosystems towards centralized control and there are other systems that oriented towards

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    some degree of freedom if you go to China you cannot swap Xi Jinping with Winnie the Pooh you are going to end up in jail in the US there now has been some decent regulations thankfully to ban deep fake pornography which is very very important in the you also there has been a movement at least to have the media regulate this technology or at least put together some sort of framework where the media and industry can come together

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    the only problem here is and I say this passionately and dispassionately as well is if I am wrong about something and if I am wrong about let's say I believe in UFOs and I've done a little bit too many mushrooms right and I believe in this very strongly and my beliefs has little consequences because I'm not a person in a position of power it's very different from when the New York Times gets the idea that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and we should bomb hundred

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    thousand Muslims so when an institution gets something wrong and promotes an agenda that is pro war or anti war or whatever framework they have we have to ask ourselves the question so whether they should be the gatekeepers of this technology and whether this falls under the liberal side on the conservative side so pardon max like preaching but I just want to make my philosophy clear that I lean towards the freedom angle

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    which is we should provide democratic access to synthetic media creation tools for people to use them as creatively as possible with the exception of harmful use cases like pornography so I'm somewhere here and I think the philosophy of my company Alicia and Alicia is named after the Greek goddess of truth for a reason because we believe sometimes that we live in such a strange world that these fakes can be a great opportunity to present deep truth so

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    where does the blockchain come into all of this right like okay hey I had created this content revolution how do we deal with a society that does not yet have a good understanding with news or information how do we transform this entire landscape so that we can actually make a net positive contribution to the world I give this example of Elon Musk so if you go on the web today you will see almost a ton of Elon

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    Musk T fakes out there there's baby Elon that Elon at the rock that along here and then then Elon on the Joe Rogan show where he was smoking weed which is actually it's not a dietrich but may have been because it's called the sec and several other government contracts to call him up to cancel or at least cause him a lot of problems and that's actually sort of a deep fake campaign if you wanted to harm a publicly listed

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    company put their CEO saying something harmful and then short the stock right that's one fairy s fear of using the technology but what happens here is when you have so much content this is the chaos this technology is bringing what is going to bring order and i think the thing that blockchains are good at doing at some level it's consensus agreement on a single value right and i say value because it's a number that people can agree on whether it is time stamping but they don't

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    necessarily agree on the meaning or the content of that web so what blockchains can do is you can provide a framework similar to Twitter's bluetick and twitter is going to be increasingly relevant in this discussion because twitter is also going into the voice business and you can now start uploading depending on your jurisdiction or geography you can now start uploading your deeper what will happen in the future I believe is you have a permission later where individuals will

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    use this technology to license out their face and voice data and that can be referenced and anchored on chain and at least that signature and the permission can be can be placed outside of that everything else must be assumed to be false so there's going to be a flip in the way we perceive truth in society there isn't already that our default mental model is going to move toward skepticism but that depends on how human beings are wired I want to call

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    everyone's attention to the way that adobe photoshop change the way women should look at themself by promoting unhealthy images on the front covers of magazines we as a society said that was okay right but actually it's all fake everyone understand that these magazines are photoshopped but somehow we are okay with that sort of business model if we are okay with these sort of proofs which

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    will emerge slowly we have to figure out internally at the society what the degree of truth is in the society and what we are willing to tolerate so just pawned here because it opened up a lot of questions and you'll provide us a framework to at least understand that at the core this technology of copying faces and pasting them is going to get so cheap and so easy to do in the next two years but I believe that we will need a layer of trust in society and then layer of trust can be a strong

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    block team that can provide scalability and I saw report low latency and all of the features that are needed to solve this problem so just stop here and maybe one nice example India if you wanted to share I don't know whether the media Gaga video will work but this is an example of permission defects when somebody wants to use their face and boy to leverage this technology so if you think of celebrities that are stuck in

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    the pandemic and cannot travel we spoke with the agency that represents our interest and we've developed as pilots for them to showcase how Lady Gaga can speak Mandarin without leaving our home can we show that if it's not too long yeah sure Lima I think it's about 30-second video and if you have the video here on news actually long then we can just I can just share the link of it or we can go through the question oh yeah okay cool

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    yeah this one okay yeah oh maybe you won't have the sound okay I'll send the link up sort of a privately it's fine I think we can imagine all right thank you for the intro at least due to the space that you're working in I'm not sure if it was seaman dilemma beer or someone else one of our galaxy brainy crypto philosophers who said if it's not on blockchain it doesn't exist I mean you really have to take this to

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    the extreme but like this is in a way what you were pointing to that the default expectation should be that everything is fake unless it's very findable that through things like you know this thing being on blockchain earlier you had the point here is it yourself yeah I just wanted to mention that I don't know if you guys seen the the this company wire something like lost two billion dollars and they had a

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    document signed by I feel it being Bank of Philip II little Philippines which was fake like and that's where the two billion dollars Kennedy's at the earth wire card yeah and it's it's just like it's it's amazing because fire card is banking a buncha crypto currency credit cards so it is just like such a hilarious moment where it's like you clearly should it you know we should clearly sign not by you know paper and

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    pen but like on blockchain and record there but yes I think like I think I think yes on video and images and person in person but like we need to start with things that are clearly signatures where people are not using a pin in there that's interesting like all right where do you see users starting to at least get used to this new reality like I think it's a little too much expect that every YouTube video or when we have augmented reality glasses your actual

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    reality could be fake that's even more scary you cannot have a green SSL lock sign on everything and everyone's face and everyone that's that's that's really scary it is almost like you need antivirus offer for your life for everything but where do you see like a very simple first step that people could start in you're playing with these technologies and getting used to signatures yeah I think I think the technology

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    aspect of it is for me we really love the Creator economy and we really love that creativity people will create with some of this technology so we're focused on building up the technical tools that allow people to build cool content in a permission for you and the faster people can play around with it and create cool content the faster they'll understand that this is a type of revolutionary art form that can be very helpful in shaping the world so if you look at the wave is

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    me transformed image animation from the 1920s to the 1980 you'll realize very quickly that there were several technological inflection points and anything that has to do with the ability to animate a face on a warrant has been an inflection point previously animation was done on paper but you have to take a paper and move it right like this was in the 1920 but then the invention of certain types of cameras and techniques transformed an image and create a new

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    industry so that same transformation is likely to occur within this landscape that we are operating in except now theaters would be able to take different pieces of faith and watch that I create new mock-ups mashups I encourage all of you to check out the cool channel on YouTube or vocal since vocal synthesis is an interesting Channel unknown machine learning engineer decides to take public voice data and have them read the meme Navy SEAL

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    copypasta so you can hear Barack Obama say the Navy SEAL copypasta or even Nelson Mandela more later right so you can build voice models the line between is going to be true and false is gonna change but I think once created and the creative economy understands that these are just two to use it start seeing more example then you then start seeing questions I actually think this is a very healthy discussion to have about what is true and what is false in society because the institutions that

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    we've presented the truth of severely let us down and that's why you have a framework an approach where you need to work with these centralized communities who can determine their own local truth it's like not your keys larger truth yeah no I think time stamping everything on the blockchain is sort of a bit strange to me because you started then living in a blockchain based reality the only question then is who controls the blockchain is it the government is it a decentralized community is it a

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    centralized community pretending to be a decentralized community who then determines the aspects of the layers of truth that would emerge from that ecosystem right because I know it's relative it's relative like you cannot ever have 100% privacy I'm the person security hundred-percent decentralization is like and it's a balance between maybe performance dis under ization couple of factors and and

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    but be to your point it is it would be scary as this like settlement layer for reality would be owned by a country yeah in certain countries it is already owned by the state right so like the settlement lay of truth is my truth not yours and whatever time stamp there so there was a doctor for example in in China who was the one who called out the Koba 19 situation way before it happened

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    and then was subsequently immortalized on the Athenian blockchain by time stamping his record to make sure that his memory is not forgotten I think there are some creative use cases that are going to emerge even when you have state control narratives because the desire to discover through this is sort of a human perpetually human and double and don't think we have audience questions yet let me just take a look at chat but I wanted to hear a little bit more about like a

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    breakdown of the technology stack of your own company unless the if I'm not mistaken because it's really kind of you to not show your own project you gave us an intro but maybe it would be interesting to just hear a little more like what what you use and especially this being a blockchain community where does crypto carbon or crypto economics how do you use what yeah yeah several questions there so if you could outside today maybe you can just share it with

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    sort of found a way to use this technology for creative purposes you can just share my screen briefly and create interesting characters and heart imagine one value you would have on this marketplace very interesting top-tier celebrities right or people who want to license their faith and likeness out to our platform if you go to our site now what you'll see is you'll see sincere

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    marketplace or creators to build characters using our technology if you go to the site you will see several cool examples like this beautiful creation called dawn exotic which is sort of a hybrid between several people using our technology so all of these characters of course are AI generated with the exception of this guy like most major who has always wanted to experiment but we attack so he's been open to this stuff but one of these characters REI

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    generated they can speak the sound real the idea is that this is stock image and photography and video costs that businesses can see born with independent but also in the future what will happen is something like Lady Gaga will likely license out her likeness and face and voice data on a platform like this or other platforms that emerge where they can have different ways of monetizing their likeness and because if you think about their problem I know it's strange to say celebrities are

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    hurting but generally the entire business is affected and impacted because they can't travel for the events anymore and even if they travel to Japan or Korea they have to now go through quarantine or any of the different markets so if you're a brand and if you are let's say I don't know howdy in Germany or something and we wanted to license Lady Gaga's like myself what'd you do previously you'd have to fly her into the country do a video shoot right

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    but today you don't necessarily have to you can sort of borrow her face and voice and transform it in a way that works so we see ourselves providing unique solutions here I'd say this map probably shows it clearly can you see my screen we're at the intersection of three different place and what you see on the site is sort of the marketplace once you get once you become a creator you get access to the software for creating the API for creating the

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    context but anyway I think it's going to be really interesting is this licensing piece which is going to come from non-tangible focus or even aspects that different ecosystems are creating that show ownership several different pages and new protocol also has been very supportive of our approach and effort in finding ways to build some of these solutions together so well you see is on the marketplace but the technology stack

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    exists behind it and then where the blockchain comes in it between the licensing part we think we can actually capture that licensing at the NFC later hopefully there's your question a bit and as someone was smarter than us and ask a question about self sovereign identity seems like also relevant sorry if you're looking for a question I I'm just reading it to you so it's like do you see self someone I did he has

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    disproving deep faith I think it's about verifiable credentials and SSID so like I guess let's instead of your platform owning the identity side people could use a song sovereign identity solution and then next to Alice it should be clear I have no desire to own the self sovereign identity ever of any person it's too much of a risk for that centralized entity to ever own the best

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    framework would be to plug into a blob chain that has aspects of that already solved an identity is one of the biggest pieces that the blockchain so far claims resolved but has not yet made significant progress on so it's also really important that the self of an identity be stored in a way that does not that provides permissions and access controls to people there needs to be

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    controls on who can access this information and if it is this once a blockchain or if it's like a specific conglomerate blockchain the problems there that will emerge that may not emerge in a more decentralized position a relatively more than lemme go this deeper here slightly on the dark side of like what's broken now with this centralized identity landscape on at least three people use their like DNS name for everything and imagine if you

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    connected that to your what you call is synthetic media personality what do you call them actually well several terms in the industry like virtual characters sin but I think a new term will emerge that another one called virtual being but just assume that it's your digital clone yeah this digital train digital train I think is a concept from this for now stick to that and I imagine if if you

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    connect it you're like me Mona something that is to my virtual train and then I would like give my virtual trenchers unholy not so ethical place or they might just permission Lee Leslie use it that not very nice if everything and I'm still not very familiar with near but in here has this different approach that you can give permission to different apps or adapts in a way that it doesn't go back to this same kind of address right maybe Ilya could tell us about

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    that yeah I mean we have let's just say very composable way of kind of giving permissions and how to use accounts so you can pretty much authorize an application like some application or like specific key to be used on your behalf for that application or specific permissions you can permission some key to use subset of functionality on your own account you can in theory build like a tofu kind of you know permission model

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    on top of it for your account or for applications right so it's kind of very programmable so and we're actually looking forward to see what people will build because like right now when we have like three patterns where it's like this kind of deviant applications given to yourself where you know like you can have one key on the ledger one key in your computer the computer key can only spend like ten dollars a day you know your ledger is like full access key or

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    you can have like a multi-sig right etc right so you can have all kind of different permissions on top of it but yeah I think like moving into the direction of like digits my identity which is actually allows you easy to partition some functions into different kind of faces it's probably a way this is like the space is going in general and the world probably is going like Gen Z you know definitely is like using multiple identities for different kind

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    of dimensions so yeah I think like we'll see how it all involves I think big part of it is actually tooling it's not like I know the protocol I was just like made it super flexible but then as a user like easy way to switch identities and like hey I'm right now at work you know everything I do is kind of sideways my work here at Forces and you know playing my video games right I don't want this to be actually linked in anywhere I don't want to troll everyone an easy way right so right now I like I

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    should see right now like this Court is a terrible example because this court is designed for video games but they've built or cryptic communities around it and it's really weird when you see like you know some of your colleagues or some people you work with on the other side playing video games because it actually show you that right so so we definitely need this like this is already need for sure and like ideally you know I may be

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    friends with them in the gaming context and then I want to see it in the playing but so you do need to kind of partition this that's a very good product sometimes you're expecting an answer from someone and you see the guy is not responding but he's playing I just saw you have like a more face of the tiger King guy and Donald Trump so my question is at what point like how much modification is enough to say this is not Lady Gaga or it does not mean my

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    anymore someone takes my face and my beard is always different like my friends never seen the same face so you just changed my beard or the color of my something small or some tattoo like at what point on YouTube there's like a whole thing about the copyright and fair use so have you guys explored that yeah no that's an important question so within the US jurisdiction thankfully there are satire protection laws so if you think of South Park and the way they accessorize characters you can have

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    Kanye West there and it's a satirical version of Kanye you can have a political version of different people and it's protected and the freedom of speech laws and First Amendment rights right so but the question is on unpermitted II so there are two types of details in my opinion there is permission which is let's say you get Lady Gaga's permission and you create different clones of her you allow her to speak different languages you do a media

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    campaign that's all great because this permission then there's an permission use and the I'm permission to use it means you don't take the permission of the person in any create deeply unpermitted use is extremely harmful within the context of these fake pornography where they take an actress's and swap them on to people without asking their consent and creating a lot of damaging material that should be illegal but then there's

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    unpermitted use and the satire which is perfectly fine that means if you want to satirize a public figure you are okay to do that in American laws I don't know whether the same exists in different places so you can't do the same you can let the swap aspects of Winnie the Pooh and Xi Jinping's face in China you're going to get in trouble but in the u.s.

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    you can because you can create this swaps and different versions and that's perfectly fine because you're making the claim that this is fake and you're stating it upfront this is satirically different and this is satire as long as the claim is made then you are good but yes somebody technically could take your face and voice and create modifications of it and do great harm to you one day that would be possible because of I mean it already exists

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    right like phishing emails exist spamming when you apply the same technology to that sort of framework and it realized very quickly that you need an antivirus for your identity and that's going to either be a bi provided by some other larger social media platform they control some aspect of the identity or maybe in an ideal world decentralized ecosystem yeah I I don't know if I should talk about this I was talking to one of my normal friends like

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    normal non AI non-blocking in movies and just before this this webinar and just pitched her idea and this came up and I hope no one from Facebook is here so we don't give them any good ideas or bad ideas in fact I think already right now the Facebook has the permission for billions of their users people will not revoke the permission to use your friend face on other platforms not even Facebook across their partner

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    advertising network to advertise like stuff like and I was thinking she was my friend was waiting for a friend and I said imagine now your friend Alva you open Instagram and you see a video of Alba in like physically like completely looking like her and it's like low resolution small screens you can't really tell and they could basically and they have the resources to train all these defect versions of your friends

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    they have photos from all angles they could do this tomorrow that's horrible and I think this is worse like ethical and also like sells UX research studies to see like what's the effectivity of just showing a face and showing your actual friend and like animated and hey I bought this Adidas shoe her shoes you should also buy it what you think about that yeah yeah this minority of report right

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    like that's a bleak sort of dystopian science fiction future where your friend is telling you the ad or as you walk into a store into your face telling you the ad and that's going to create immersive engagement that sauce work so advertisers will know technology because you have a tech stack that you can plug into so if you have Facebook in your permissions and your friend says I want to monetize my face to sell to my friend that's also part of their consent and

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    it's up to them to work so my approach has always been democratized the tech let people create cool stuff with it let them learn how this technology can evolve in society and I believe the more people start playing around with the Adobe Photoshop style tools you'll actually see more creativity emerge and people will become more inoculated so instead of I suppose not the best in that analogy right now in these times

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    but instead of fighting the virus by you know not going out you can actually inoculate yourself against it by getting it so learn how the virus works that's one framework that has worked in biology before so that can be a equal framework for human societies where you learn how the tools work and you find a way to to exist with them yeah because there's nothing big that control everything in a way you could say your

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    face and your DNA or your physical appearance your likeness that's also a form of data and IP and we're already you know used to being exploited now at this point by companies like Facebook and all these things to in a way that we don't get anything back I really like there's you know projects around universal basic income things like this so I guess you're right instead of us

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    just you know writing dystopian news articles about virtual twins it's better to right from the start give people sovereignty over their own let's say virtual twins and creates kind of preemptively create infrastructure hopefully using decentralized technologies to so we at least have sovereignty over our physical like instead of this also under data that's being exploited by Facebook yeah

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    I like the like what Balaji cinemas and one said about Bitcoin teaching people about the how made-up the system is so once people started getting Bitcoin they start I understand the really important concept that we may have not had the privilege to learn in school which is oriented around monetary theory stimulus who prints money who gets the right to state government when you democratize

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    the ability to print your own money supply whether they'll see 20 tokens or the token you also create harms in the ecosystem sure like scan but you also create this level of understanding and a human being that upgrades their consciousness which actually is really really the aim of all of this technology is to move us towards more noble pursuits and stop killing each other I'm

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    maybe let's see if you have any questions I'm also looking at the ones that I prepared myself do you want to tell us a little bit about Alex smash meds and like the way you have been cooperating with him yeah yeah so Alex was you know really keen I shared with him our our tech and Timothy was seem to be the first pilot user of our technology and if he wants to license his face out and he agreed to testing it

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    out piloting it out we had him as the first human being on our platform and he won't be the last and there whenever requests come in for him to fulfill or anything of the sort there's now a mini sort of crowd source movement that wants Alex to sing a song for them like the EIL extra singer so it might be it's an interesting experiment to start off with but the real breakthroughs will come when really large key opinion leaders and

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    celebrities come on board and showing that they know they can speak so alex is the crypto celebrity as I politely referred to him and it's continuing to grow in his fame and value every month on months right so it's month on month growth in his alex token exactly this so he's always a it's always always pumping that coin yeah he's coming up with more ways to capture value and create value created yeah for creating this important man like this entire I like what the role is also

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    doing the social money company that is creating some important experiment for creators to own their asset their own likeness the IP there's so many different facets to their technology and I think the most creators experiment with this and have ownership that's going to be a powerful way so all props to Alex for for taking that and I'm bullish on Anna I'm actually curious if you're thinking about collaborating with these personal token projects or if you see a meaningful way of that working

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    yeah yeah I think Oken bonding curve a very important innovation does allow creators to have very unique ways of monetizing their work I don't necessarily see personal token interlinked with token bonding terms but I see that intersection of the creator economy plus token bonding curve merging in a very powerful way that's very very exciting stuff that that I think will will actually find the creative economy

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    the next five to ten years Oh Alex had their talk I think also here right yes so my next question is like what are you doing right now for transparency and responsible disclosure I think I read it somewhere that you show some sign or there is a way to disclose that but do you also use blocks in there or just for this element part yeah so what we do is every Satyricon video every time we take someone's face without the permission usually it's a public leader

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    so for example we did a video where we had one leader apologizing for not acting on climate change so we looked at 2032 we forecasted we created a satirical video that was already entered to was getting people mobilized on climate change when it was an issue earlier this year and generally pre-pandemic right and we have a disclaimer upfront we take very clearly that did it's fake and I think which x times one or two things is fake but not

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    really more just from our perspective that if people looked at that actually people that we've stated that indistinct so we make this satirical disclosures but we also make a point that art and important images are the most powerful and potent forces in a society right so one of the first things that existed unfortunately when they studied history was when Nazi Germany came into power

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    the first thing they did was ban all sorts of art and imagery that did not conform with their propagandistic framework so any symbolism that did not conform to certain types of imagery that they were keen on promoting very powerful so I always look at that I had a very powerful tool to sort of break through the noise and it's one way of providing some sort of framework for people to discover different aspects of society and the truth yeah we make open

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    disclosure ICAC but I mean the open discussed easily edit the video and remove that part I think but at least major class from psychology or tik-tok YouTube Facebook they should integrate probably with some kind of self sovereign identity that is their friendly self summary and you could like click under the video and go through the actual person's home page and verify if this is something that they've allowed or not and if not then at least it's disclosed

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    you should not this is not verified or like if there is any video with over 10,000 views it should be verified that it's not deeply yeah I think everything and splicing videos is also technology like screen capture and changed a lot of things my people cancer typically I did a lot of things out of context and no matter what sort of framework you put in people can be extremely creative with the content you've created so there are

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    some ways of solving their problem but I don't know where the blockchain would come into that whether it can have that level of continuity to show provenance that's an interesting framework to look at a Content provenance and I think some pilots have occurred in this page is New York Times and voitures where they tested out I think - graphical not mistaken to check the provenance of

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    content but primarily images because the only problem I have with that is you know you can have if it's radius will tell a fake image from a real image now because you can easily doctor all sorts of images today and you need a forensic expert who studies pixels and uses all sorts of AI tools that they disposal to determine that way yeah and that's why the promise should come from the Creator right you want like the camera pretty

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    much to check in like as soon as it's taken was you know embedded whatever chip like there should be you know I pretty much the chip was this was a private key like a ledger inside the that you know signs the photograph and then when you uploaded like it has all this Providence you know proof of location and everything proof of time visitation in the future yeah everything is possible future is near also that's a nice area now there's a startup called true pick I think I was

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    experimenting with embedding cryptographic signatures at the point of capture so they look at this thing called point of capture which is the moment you create something at the moment you created them there's a provenance the only problem is then you have to scale the distribution across all hardware devices and good luck with that how do you scale a global standards who take ten years maybe yeah but I mean

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    you know like given that we have we have done that right you know humanity have done like like we agreed on images right we agreed on standard for images like this you know I saw and everything so I think like if if people actually want us and I think given like how deep learning involving people will want this I think we'll get there yeah I think just somebody needs to drive this yeah and game incentives also like I think open incentives might be very

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    valuable in nudging people towards maybe all the behaviors that a lot of truth to be determined as opposed to falsehoods being perpetuated another way that the blockchain can create well as a kind of closing question maybe last one dish and you are also on opening the collective right you're are you already there or you're planning to join yeah yeah I think the open web collective community is been awesome and super super helpful

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    me me Sasha and ice and everyone else has been very very supportive because if you're a founder I think it's a great platform to start and to learn and to connect and they've asked us some tough questions like who's our customer now how do you go to market how do you validate propositions like really strong like that strong web to discipline that Silicon Valley has gotten right I feel is really a core discipline and value proposition that should translate to web 3 technology with a decentralized ethos

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     of course so that's been extremely helpful and yeah I recommend people check it out people see it I promoted any chance they get it's a great platform to run learning they also have an accelerator that starting soon as well so I'm excited to see how the new ecosystem evolves and when I actually kind of dive into some of the technical with you that idea was talking about it have a technical team

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     look different that you awesome awesome so that's also plug for or there will you see if there are no more questions we could I guess rap operation thanks to Ilya nice and near for joining us how can people get in touch with you on vet to old internet yeah sure I just sent my email got me an email fairly accessible and if not then you get my deep quick talking okay and in the user account is

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     I think add a are yeah pretty horrible at Twitter but sure people can definitely follow me they if they want to okay yeah I thought like crypto Krypton teacher is I think it would be nice to share anything from your site Ilya or everybody showed up first speaking thank you for the invite Thanks hope this was informative thank you guys